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The Snary and Olpin families Third generation (great great grandparents)Joseph
Snary
Born
in July 1819 and baptised at St Philip and St Jacob on 22 aug 1819, son of Isaac
and Harriet Snary, Avon St, Brazier, aged 1 month (source
parish records J&JS) Married
Eliza Miszons on 24 sep 1837 in the parish church of Horfield, Gloucester.
Both Joseph and Eliza are described as ‘minors’, and both resident in
Horfield. Joseph’s occ given
as tinman, father Isaac Snary, deceased. Eliza’s
father’s name was Michael Misson, glassman.
One of the witnesses was Mary Misson (?mother or sister), the other was
John Hillard (source Marriage Certificate) After
his first wife Eliza died in 1862, Joseph remarried on 10 aug 1862 to Sarah
Skeets at the Parish Church in Hackney. According to the marriage
certificate, Joseph was a widower, occ gas fitter, of Railway Place, father
Isaac Snary, copper smith. Sarah
Skeets was of full age, spinster of London Fields, father William Skeets
distiller. The witnesses were
William Skeets and Ellen Harper. (source Marriage
Certificate – J&JS) Joseph
Snary died on 9th April 1884 at 11 Rothbury Road, Bow in Middlesex,
aged 65 years. His occupation was
tin plate worker and the cause of death was Pneumonia and Hepatitis 1 week,
certified by C Davidson FRCS. The death was reported by Isaac Snary, son, present at the
death, of 6 Park Terrace, St Mary’s Rd, Plaistow. (source
Death Certificate) Eliza
MISSON
Born
about 1819 (acc to age at death), father
Michael Misson. [find birth – try in and around Melksham,
Wiltshire where there are a number of Misson/Missen families] Eliza
married Joseph Snary in 1837 in Horfield, Glos Eliza
Snary died on 13 Jan 1867 at 16 Mary Street, Bromley by Bow, Middlesex, aged 43
years. She was the wife of Joseph
Snary, gas fitter and the cause of death was Dropsy, certified.
The death was reported by I Snary, in attendance, also of 16 Mary Street.
(source Death Certificate)
Children
of Joseph and Eliza Snary:
In
the 1841 census,
the Snary’s were living at Riddles Court, Bristol St Philip and Jacob:
It seems that daughter Mary Snary was counted twice, as she also appears at the household of her grandparents, Michael and Mary Missen (see next generation). In the 1851 census, it seems that Joseph, mar and age 30, was living as a lodger in Kentish Town and working as a copper smith [HO107/1498 f527] but his wife Eliza and their three sons Isaac, Joseph and Henry were staying with her parents the Mizens, back in Bristol (see next generation). Joseph and Eliza’s daughter Mary was living with her grandparents Isaac and Harriet Snary (see next generation). In
the 1861 census,
the family were living at 16 Locker St, Bromley by Bow in London [RG9/302
f78]:
Eliza died in London in 1862, and by 1871 Joseph had remarried and was living in London with three of his sons: John, Isaac and Joseph. Daughter Eliza was living with her married sister Mary, but where were Henry, Alfred and Frederick? In
the 1871 census,
Joseph and his second wife were living at no 3, Upper Park St in Bromley St
Leonard, Poplar:
And
living in the same house were Joseph’s son by his first marriage and his
family:
*The surname Snary has been transcribed as ‘Ivory’ A
Frederick Sneary was a ‘boy under detention’ aged 18 on the vessel
‘Cornwall’, docked at Purfleet, Essex [RG10/1653
f134] – was this Joseph’s son? An Alfred Sanrey was an able seaman, aged 19 on the vessel ‘Affiance’, moored at Shoreham Harbour, Sussex – however his place of birth was given as Jersey, along with most of the other crew on board. [RG10/1093 f104] Joseph and Eliza's son Isaac Snary had married Hannah and was living at 2 Mary Street, Stratford le Bow (RG10/576 ED43 f61):
In
the 1881 census,
Joseph Snary was living at 30 Donald Street, London Middx:
By the time of the 1891 census, Joseph senior had died (in 1884) and his second wife Sarah was living at 4 Lefevre Road, Stratford le Bow:
(it is not clear whose mother-in-law she was unless she already had a 10 year old daughter called Mary when she married Joseph) In
1891 census
[RG12/1068 ED5
f28] Joseph Jr and
his wife Sophia Sarah Snary (formerly Sanders, nee Read) were living at 2 Beach
Villas, Church Gardens, Tottenham:
Their
son John Robert, aged 7, was a
patient in a hospital in the City of London (RG12/237
f83) (source J&JS) Isaac was living at 38
Willow Gr, West Ham (RG12/1328 ED51 f106):
Joseph’s
son Alfred and his family were living nearby at 42 Trego Road, Stratford le Bow [RG12/317
f114]:
Living at 4 Lefevre Rd,
Stratford le Bow (RG12/315 ED11 f72):
By
the time of the 1901 census, Isaac was still living at 38 Willow Gr, West
Ham (RG13/1569 ED9 f34) but Catherine is not
described as his wife:
Note: When Frank Ward joined the police force in 1904, his address was 38 Willow Grove, Plaistow and he named his last employer as Mr Snary – did he and Rhoda live with Isaac when then first came to London? And,
living at 11 Camden Hill Road, Norwood, Lambeth:
Joseph
Snary Jr must have died, because his widow Sophia was living at 7 York Road,
Edmonton (RG13/1261
Folio 43):
Also,
visitors in the Baker household at 13 Plover Street Hackney (RG13/233
ED26 f 88) are:
And
at 19 Plover Street, Hackney, are:
Hope
you all concentrated on that little lot ... there could be a written test to
follow shortly! William
Olpin William Olpin was born in about 1832 in Bedminster (source death certificate and census info). His father was William Olpin, a fishmonger (according to his second marriage). [look for birth] IGI has a William Reed Olpin
christened on 23 feb 1834 at St Philip and Jacob, father William, mother Joanna. This couple also had a son Charles William Olpin, chr 26 may
1833 at St P&J. (check parish records) If William’s parents were William and Joanna, in the 1841 census, there is a family living at Whitehouse Place, Bedminster, which could just be William’s family (assuming their father had died and their mother had remarried to John Light) (HO107/0368 ED12 f4):
NOTE: Elizabeth Olpin died in Whitehouse Place in 1861 … find out if the Olpin children were still living there in 1851.. Also (look for the marriage of John Light to Johanna, to see if she was formerly Johanna Olpin or Holpin) By the time of the 1851 census, the Light family are living at 10 Sabine Place, St Philip & Jacob, Bristol (HO107/1954 f722):
(Have they adopted Ann Holpen, or was the 1841 entry an error?) The eldest Olpin child who appears in the 1861 census entry, born about 1848, was married as Sarah Brooks, not Sarah Olpin, so she must have been born before William married Elizabeth. This suggests that William must have married Elizabeth Brooks after the 1851 census was taken and before their daughter Emma was born in June 1852 – have checked GRO index, but no sign of this marriage. Elizabeth died in February 1861, and William then married Sarah Cross, on 16 Aug 1863 at St Clements Church in Bristol. According to the marriage certificate, William was a packer of Charlotte Street, father William Olpin a fishmonger and Sarah’s father was James Cross, a chairmaker. The witnesses were Edwin Newtton and Elizabeth Chard. (source Marriage Certificate). According to the certificate, William was a bachelor – perhaps he never was married to Elizabeth? William Olpin died on 11 Jan
1874 at 14 Percy Street. He was
aged 42 years and his occupation was given as stoneware potter.
The cause of death was pneumonia, certified and the death was reported by
Sarah Ellis*, present at the death, of 4 Doveton Street, Bedminster. (source
death certificate) [*Note: in the 1871 census,
Sarah P Ellis, a widow aged 60, formerly a governess, was living a few streets
away from the Olpins at 7 Doveton Street with her two daughters – Charlotte,
aged 24 and Sarah A, aged 22 [RG10/2508 f69]
Elizabeth
BROOKS (William’s first wife, mother of Eliza Olpin) Elizabeth was born in about 1829, possibly in Bristol Redcliff. [look for birth] When her daughter Sarah married, she stated that her father was Edwin Brooks – however, it seems more likely that Elizabeth was the daughter of William and Betsy Brooks and was unmarried when Sarah was born. In the 1841 census, living at Redcliff Mead Lane, St Mary Redcliff Bristol (HO107/0373/8 f14):
In the 1851 census, Elizabeth and her daughter Sarah are living at 22 Avon Street, Bristol Temple, with Elizabeth’s two sisters – Sarah is described as her sister (HO107/1947 ED2f p45):
They were all born in Bristol Redcliff Elizabeth Oplin (sic) died 3 Feb 1861 at 23 Whitehouse Street, Bedminster. She was aged 32 years (source BO, Bristol Records Office) (find and order certificate) [look
for William Olpin in 1841 and 1851 census (age ~9 and ~19)] In the 1861 census,
William’s first wife Elizabeth had died, and the family were living at 23
Browns Buildings, Bedminster [RG9/1705 f6] :
In the 1871 census,
he has remarried, to Sarah, and the family were
living at 14a Percy Street,
Bedminster (RG10/2508 ED18 f65)
Children of William and
Elizabeth Olpin:
In the 1891 census, William and Sarah's son was living at High St Portishead [RG12/1956 f92]
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